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Ghost Relations Dept |
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Oh, one thing about the Shag print though. He isn't wearing a cape. He is wearing a HM Butler costume, complete with nametag. Thats just the coat tails you
see behind him.
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arlettah |
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Very exciting!
I think I'm definitely going to have to take a trip out to Disneyland on 9-9-09! |
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Edward Vellidime |
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Cool! what else to say!
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RoZom |
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Perhaps "Yea!" ?
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Edward Vellidime |
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lol, yes that too.
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Jester |
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Yea!
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MasterGracey13 |
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Dan Olson wrote: Wow wow wow back up the train here! There is no proof that Master Gracey is or isnt the ghost host!! Anyway, I agree I hope that they dont put in a storyline, it is doing just fine the way it is! http://graceyshauntedmansion.blogspot.com/ |
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DemonRingmaster |
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the best ghost is back!!! i was getting sigs already for the next time i went to disneyland, but he'll already be there waiting for me! he's my fave! i
love you, hatbox!!!
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DemonRingmaster |
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Well...they call the GH Master Gracey sometimes because Yale Gracey worked on the manse and alot of the audioanimatronics. sorry if I spelled that wrong. Even
if the GH is voiced by Paul Frees.Go fig. But if you have read some of the comic boks for the Haunted Mansion, they do say that Master Gracey/ Captian Blood is
the Ghost Host, and if it's printed by Disney, it's good enough for me.
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johnnybix38 |
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"Welcome foolish mortals, I am you host, your ghost host...the Lord and Master of this Haunted Mansion" this was originally recorded by Paul Frees,
but never used, HOWEVER, it WAS used as the sound chip that could be heard on the Talking Haunted Mansion Plaque, offically released by Disney...I truly
believe they have always intended Master Gracey to be the ghost host, altho Imagineers, have differing opinions about this, as they have always had, even back
when they were planning the Haunted Mansion in the 60's
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Dan Olson |
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We already had a thread on this subject. Anyone who thinks the Ghost Host is "Master Gracey" is flat out wrong. No such character as "Master
Gracey" ever existed until fans invented him, long after the Mansion opened. It's a case of pure fantasy versus cold hard facts. You have the right to
opt for a fan-created fantasy instead of the truth, and the right to insist that the fantasy is real and the truth is "mere opinion." The mere fact
of having those rights doesn't give that position any credibility.
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johnnybix38 |
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Why are you so dead set against even having a Master Gracey character...it may not have been around when the mansions first opened, but it has defintiely been
legitimized by Disney, as they have put out plenty of merchandise referencing the name Master Gracey, namely pins, but nonetheless, official Disney pins. Why
are you so against even the notion of a Master Gracey? SO, if Disney themselves acknowledge the "fan created" Master Gracey, whos to say they perhaps
may one day also decide to make Master Gracey the ghost host...as a few imagineers have already tried, but unfortunately have caused disagreements within WDI.
The idea is certainly a possibility, as is any chnage in the Mansion and any other Disney attraction. I respect your opinion Dan, and you definitely have more
facts on your side. I am not disputing that. But why so against other possibilites? We all need to have an open mind and try to see others' points of view
and ideas.
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floatingcandleabra |
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ummm... can't we all get along?
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Dan Olson |
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You have badly mischaracterized my arguments.
Nowhere have I said there isn't or shouldn't be a "Master Gracey" character. Nowhere. But a number of people here keep arguing (some explicitly, some implicitly) that "Master Gracey" may well have been intended as the GH from the beginning. That is sheer lunatic nonsense. There is also no evidence of any division at WDI about the fact that the GH is not MG. The GH is the Hatchet Guy. That's WDI's position, and they (and they alone) decide what's "real" and what isn't "real" within the imaginative world of the HM. If a couple of clueless dolts at local WDW management authorized a construction sign that equated the GH and MC, that does not mean there is "disagreement within WDI." A better characterization is that WDI quickly whacked down a non-WDI-authorized blunder. WDI obviously cares about it, perhaps because they're getting ready to raise the Hatchet Guy's profile, as several clues suggest. A sentence that begins, "Who's to say they may one day decide..." can be finished with practically anything. It is therefore a way of writing yourself a blank check against any and all arguments. As for suggesting that "all of us" (including me, presumably) need to be "trying to see others' points of view and ideas," that's an insult. Are you suggesting that I have not been reading the posts in these threads? And if you concede that I have, are you saying that I haven't accurately represented the arguments that I've opposed? If so, show me. I've considered very carefully all the points of view and all the ideas you all have cared to post, and so far, the arguments for MG = GH are all junk. The fact that I think so and say so is no evidence whatsoever that I have a closed mind. |
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johnnybix38 |
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Two words: Tony Baxter....in the wdw walk-thru video he refers to the portrait in the foyer as the master of house, whos fate we later learn of in the
stretching room (hanging man)..Isnt he still in WDI or has he resigned/been fired?
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Dan Olson |
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More junk.
Tony gives a lengthy spiel about how the HM has no story other than that it's just a haunted house, and if there's nothing more than that, it doesn't matter. Every guest can fill in the blank however he/she pleases. It's like POTC that way. He then gives his own private interpretation of the foyer portrait. Here's the exact quote: "We try to think of him, at least my way of interpreting it is, this is the phantom of the manor, and this is a portrait of him in his better days." He then goes on to identify this phantom with the hanging man and the disembodied Ghost Host. Notice that he starts to say, "We think of him..." and then he stops and corrects himself, ("at least my way of interpreting it") because he knows it's only his private interpretation and he doesn't want to give the impression that it is in any way official. He has already made it crystal clear that the HM has no actual story. He begins the whole speech by pointing out that when they did PM, they deliberately strengthened the story element. Tony likes things to have a story, so this is how he fills in the HM blank for himself. So yes, I will grant you that Tony Baxter is personally sympathetic to your equation between the portrait and the Ghost Host. Interestingly (and contrary to your summary, btw), he did not use the words "master" or "gracey" anywhere. I have already said that if you want to think of MG as the GH in your own little world, go right ahead. But if you try to put it out there as part of the intentional presentation of the HM's imaginative universe, you've got nothing. In that arena, the GH = Hatchet Guy. You, Tony, everyone who goes on the ride, can spin whatever tale they want in their heads. When it comes to giving an actual public presentation, however, WDI does not tolerate GH = MG. One final point on the "Lord and Master" outtake, which some keep insisting is relevant evidence of early intent, as they then blithely connect this with "Master Gracey." As I've said umpteen times, the outtake was recorded before any character by the name of MG existed, but it is equally true that the creation of the MG character was done by people (fans) with no possible knowledge of the outtake. In other words, the fact that both use the word "master" is a pure accident. It is a fluke. It is not even possible that it is not a fluke. To speak of "original intent" under those circumstances is literally absurd. In fact, to do so weakens the case even further, since by "original intent" the one usage is "master" = "owner," and the other usage is "master" = "expert" (Yale). Even the fluke is the result of another fluke, an accident of the English language.
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johnnybix38 |
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Ok Dan, I stand corrected, you win.....Now I have to get back to more important things and people in my life. I can't believe I wasted so much time and
energy on this ridiculous subject when there is so much more to do. I actually have a life outside of the Haunted Mansion.
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gothikrose01 |
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It has always been my understanding that the HM, does not have any particular storyline, unlike Phantom Manor. Frankly, I like the idea of thinking of
one's own story lines. I enjoy that quite a bit, actually.The name Master Gracey, I cannot remember right off, when his name entered my HM vocabulary, to
be honest. I just know that this is a character that I enjoy writing my tiny tales about, and talking about.
I never thought of the possibility of the GH, being Master Gracey. Nor MG, being the hanging man. I do not believe that these are the cases, either. I am hoping that WDI, does not decide to have Master Gracey,become one of Constance's victims. For I will really tremondously dislike that! And of course, will have to re-work that story line, to my liking instead. But then, it is all fiction, and one can do anything with it. |
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JamesHook |
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i have a question. How long do you think Disney has been planning to add the HBG to the mansion. Do you think this has been a long time in the making, even
before Constance arrived?
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Dan Olson |
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JamesHook wrote: Yep. They've been kicking around the idea of bringing back HBG for many years. Imagineers have mentioned it openly. There are many facets of the Constance addition that fit the HBG character like a glove, so I wouldn't be shocked to learn that she is to some degree a set-up for his return. There's the beheaded husband motif. There's the appearance of his face (among the other faces) in the Seance circle, an effect originally planned to be much more elaborate, tightly linked with the Constance addition (with Connie's husbands' faces appearing). They put a hatrack in HBG's old spot when they opened the Connie attic. Originally, there were plans for a pile of hatboxes there (which is what they did at WDW). Now we learn that Connie is going to get a sixth and final husband. It's very hard for me to believe that the HBG hasn't been part of the plans from the beginning. |
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