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Ghost Host Posts: 855 Mar 16 11 3:12 PM Hitchhiking Ghost Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tags : None Easy fixes: Take the Imagineer tombstones out of the planters and put them on the hill. Put plants/urns in the planters. Get rid of the Gus, Ezra, etc. tombstones on the hill. Turn off the audio for the captain and especially the poetess. Ditch the sign ("Her plaintive cries can still be heard") inside the poetess tomb Change the audio for the composer tomb to something more faint and eerie. Bring back the wolf/dog howl - nice and loud, played every 10 minutes or so. Tweaks that would require more work: Change the art on the composer tomb to something that looks more realistic and not out of the Beetlejuice cartoon. Remove the "a touch of your hand brings his music to life" epitaph. Keep the other epitaph, but put it somewhere else on the tomb. Get rid of the skulls, raven, etc. on the organ. Make the organ look like it's made of stone. If there have to be skulls, make them more abstract like those you see in the woodwork inside the HM. Trash the poetess tomb and put the animated book in the library scene. If not, make the window that peers inside the tomb smaller and diminish the overactive books-pushing-out effect. Move the Dread family to the exit or something. Your ideas?
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Dan Olson		#1	[-]
Obviously Didn't Turn Back Posts: 2998 Mar 16 11 4:45 PM Obviously Didn't Turn Back Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Nice, clear options for future (and hopefully sane) imagineering.
Ghost Writer		#2	[-]
Ballroom Dancer Posts: 280 Mar 16 11 5:17 PM Silly Spook Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wow Mike, I think you covered everything I would want to do to restore it back to the intent of the original. You know what they say about brilliant minds... Here's something else, since the sea captain now has a humongous crypt dedicated to him, how 'bout installing a light in the loading area so you can actually see the portrait that inspired it? Just a thought.
TheHarlequinHatter		#3	[-]
Silly Spook Posts: 149 Mar 16 11 8:04 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I agree with everything here. Bravo.
Booster		#4	[-]
Foolish Mortal Posts: 85 Mar 16 11 9:31 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I was actually thinking about how a tribute to the graveyard band might work more effectively. In my take on things, instead of having one giant tomb dedicated to the Organist and the band, there would be five separate grave markers with one central marker. They'd still have the effect that, when touched, they would imitate the instruments of the band, but just a subtle, soft sound. I even thought of epitaphs. The five tombstones, respectively, as follows: "They say that music never dies But here a trumpet player lies" "With skill he played the xylophone Now he rests beneath this stone" "His bagpipes and their joyful tune Were taken from us far too soon" "His fingers plucked a gentle sound A harpist sleeps under this mound" "Departed from this dismal life Here lies a master of the fife" The marker in the middle would read: THE FENTON FIVE "Those who knew them often said The noise they made could wake the dead" (Admittedly, I borrowed a couple of these lines from "Enter If You Dare: Scary Tales form the Haunted Mansion," but they just worked so well!)
Ghost Writer		#5	[-]
Ballroom Dancer Posts: 280 Mar 17 11 2:29 AM Silly Spook Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I forgot one of the easy fixes: get rid of the water effect on the sea captain's crypt unless you can make it more subtle; something that creates a mist that dissipates in the air and doesn't leave a puddle. Someone who previously worked at the WDW HM mentioned how the carpet smelled after it rained. With this effect leaving a puddle, this will be a constant problem. Plus we've all seen kids running around and playing in the water all over WDW. Putting this kind of element right before going into the mansion was a bad idea. As I said in another post, it is like giving kids candy before going to bed. The mansion requires a certain, dare I say, decorum to appreciate all of its show elements. Getting kids running around and all hyped up before going into an attraction that requires quiet and concentration for it to be effective was not good idea. Along with the dog howl, bring back the lightning & thunder and the moving candle effects. Booster, I had a similar idea regarding the Graveyard Band. Instead of tombstones like you suggested, I would have made a wall crypt similar to the first side of the Organist's tomb but separate each instrument into its own section; one piece divided into five sections w/ a name for each musician. My main objection to what they've created, other than what Mike mentioned before regarding the aesthetics/realism of the pipe organ, is that they mashed together two elements that have no relationship to each other; the Organist and the Graveyard Band. If they wanted to have five more musical elements instead of using the Tim Burton style instruments, they could have used the Phantom Five, in a similar configuration as the previous one ie a wall crypt separated into five sections. But hey, they didn't ask me...
johnnybix38		#6	[-]
Wall-to-Wall Creep Posts: 1540 Mar 17 11 9:25 AM Popup Ghost Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	You all have great ideas and I would love to see them implemented. It would be a HUGE improvement over what is there now.
johnnybix38		#7	[-]
Wall-to-Wall Creep Posts: 1540 Mar 17 11 10:34 AM Popup Ghost Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Looks like they've shaded the busts and added an iron gate/wall dividing the entrance of the interactive queue from the regular one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRDD4PJH7eU Last Edited By: johnnybix38 Mar 17 11 10:42 AM. Edited 1 times.
Ghost Writer		#8	[-]
Ballroom Dancer Posts: 280 Mar 17 11 12:48 PM Silly Spook Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	johnnybix38 wrote: Looks like they've shaded the busts and added an iron gate/wall dividing the entrance of the interactive queue from the regular one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRDD4PJH7eU I hope they're gonna soundproof that gate. I really don't get the point to this "interactive" queue. I mean what age is this supposed to be geared for? It seems like it is for really young kids; kids perhaps too young to go into the mansion. The more I look at this new queue, the more I don't see the point. If it supposed to give you something to do while waiting, it seems it defeats that purpose because one has to slow down to use it. They also added a griffin lawn ornament next to Leota's tombstone and other chachkas to the original cemetery. I wish they would have taken all this money to improve what is inside...like adding lights and eye movements to the Sinister 11. Bleh.
ricky		#9	[-]
Wall-to-Wall Creep Posts: 1968 Mar 17 11 2:51 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I believe it's geared toward "kids of all ages." I saw adults and children having fun in there. Kids seemed to enjoy the water (naturally) while adults really like the organ. The library and poetess were largely getting overlooked. And the full interaction of the busts remains to be seen. I agree with the fact that the portraits in the load area need more light, especially with the sea captain having a prominent role now. The exterior howling hasn't been heard loudly on a regular basis in years. Since I've lived in Orlando, I can count the number of times on one hand that I've heard it. Its disappearance is not a result of this queue addition. I love the idea of splitting up the instruments into separate sections instead of on one giant plaque. Makes more sense that way!
Dan Olson		#10	[-]
Obviously Didn't Turn Back Posts: 2998 Mar 17 11 4:15 PM Obviously Didn't Turn Back Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Anyone who thinks the graveyard band members should have graves or tributes in the HM queue graveyard just proves how utterly ignorant they are when it comes to recognizing the world of the HM. Two guys are in bandsman uniforms (ca. 18th century, perhaps), two guys are in medieval garb, and the piper I'm not sure of. They are a clear-cut example of ghosts gathering from all times and places to this retirement home and having a blast. This graveyard jamboree has never happened before (check out the Caretaker's astonished expression). So we've got these guys from totally different times and places who have formed a band here and now for the first time, long after their deaths. So how in the hell did they end up buried together, years before this evening's events, in the family graveyard of a New England home? Blind, ignorant stupidity. Let us have no more talk here of graveyard tributes to the jamboree band in the queue, unless you want to plaster an "I am stupid" sign on your head.
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Dan Olson		#11	[-]
Obviously Didn't Turn Back Posts: 2998 Mar 17 11 4:29 PM Obviously Didn't Turn Back Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I've seen them called "Tim Burton-esque" instruments several times now. More properly, they should be called "Rolly Crumpish," as they seem to be an attempt to emulate the style of the Museum of the Weird. One MoW drawing was obviously the direct inspiration for features on at least two of the new sculpts: I take that as an overture to the hardcore mansion fans, so they shouldn't complain if some of those hardcore fans give them an earful. They started the conversation, so to speak.
Ghost Writer		#12	[-]
Ballroom Dancer Posts: 280 Mar 17 11 4:35 PM Silly Spook Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I was merely making suggestions based on what they have already made in order to somehow salvage what they did and have it make a little more sense than cramming every music themed ghost into one crypt. I totally understand what you are saying. The cemetery inside the ride ie in the backyard of the mansion has ghosts from "creepy old crypts from all over the world" and the family plot is from the 19th century. I get it. No need to get snippy...we're all on the same side here. And that totally is Rolly Crumpish. I think I saw that 1st instrument and it made me think of the sandworm from Beetlejuice. Plus the skulls made me think of the obvious ties to NBC. I stand corrected and defer to your expertise... Last Edited By: Ghost Writer Mar 17 11 4:49 PM. Edited 2 times.
Dan Olson		#13	[-]
Obviously Didn't Turn Back Posts: 2998 Mar 17 11 5:41 PM Obviously Didn't Turn Back Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Sorry for the tone. I wasn't aiming at you specifically, I just saw what seemed to be developing over several posts and wanted people to stop and think about what they were saying before the ball really got rolling.
Von Baroketch.mousetalgia		#14	[-]
Foolish Mortal Posts: 70 Mar 17 11 8:51 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The howling dog has not been functioning properly since the early 2000s. Something to do with the speaker being damaged by a storm, series of storms, etc. The howl is a great memory from my childhood and is an example of how a minimal effect can do wonders for creating atmosphere. On the other hand, there was a time when they were pumping Phantom Manor organ music in the extended queue area. It was awful and made no sense on a number of levels. That was first tried at a Halloween party, and I guess someone thought it was a nice addition worth keeping. Probably the same person who thought Sousa would sound great in Liberty Square (a good example that nothing is permanent when it comes to Disney). The original designers of the attraction could have had Buddy Baker orchestrate a loop for the queue, like the Pirates Overture, but instead they preferred a single howling dog as the "BGM." Hm, I wonder why? From the new video of the queue, it looks like operations will have their hands full with keeping the queue packed at the front door, much like they did back when FastPass existed. Too bad they don't let them tell the "bodies" to "keep pushing" anymore. I knew one maid who could get the whole queue chanting, "Move! [pause] Get Out The Way!" See, we knew how to be interactive and reach the youth just fine! Last Edited By: Von Baroketch Mar 17 11 11:46 PM. Edited 1 times.
Ghost Writer		#15	[-]
Ballroom Dancer Posts: 280 Mar 17 11 10:29 PM Silly Spook Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Obviously they had some money to spend on the mansion. Why not reinvest in fixing things that are broken such as the howling dog and the moving candle outside and the bicycle wraiths inside? Again the same kind of thinking. "Sousa music. That's patriotic. That will fit." No idiots. Liberty Square is late 18th century America. Fife and drum music. Sousa wasn't alive.
Phineas85		#16	[-]
Hitchhiking Ghost Posts: 638 Mar 18 11 3:50 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Wolf howl was working 100% each time when I was there Feb 09. Could be heard beautifully from Tom Sawyer Island too!
johnnybix38		#17	[-]
Wall-to-Wall Creep Posts: 1540 Mar 18 11 4:56 AM Popup Ghost Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I saw a video of the new queue on youtube and I clearly heard the howling dog......he's back. BTW, anyone noticed the new organ skulls/banshees have 'buck teeth'? LOL Anyway, listen to the dog howl @ 6:44 and 7:06...it is VERY faint tho, you can barely hear it with all the noise. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDs65l1Gs1Q
Phineas85		#18	[-]
Hitchhiking Ghost Posts: 638 Mar 18 11 5:06 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Yay! All we need know is the parrot and talking skull back at POTC! That was a very ironic change for me btw, as those 2 things were the best memories I had of the ride as a kid and not one but BOTH were taken in rehab! I suppose the parrot MAY come back once the novelty of the films wear off the new front, but I think we need a new super duper talking skull as that old one would be going a bit backwards... (though to this day I still don't get why it had to go to 'make way' for Davey jones - they're miles aprt!)
johnnybix38		#19	[-]
Wall-to-Wall Creep Posts: 1540 Mar 18 11 5:17 AM Popup Ghost Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I truly miss that parrot. It was one of my favorite elements at POTC. They have him at the World of Disney store in Downtown WDW but it's not the same. I hope they bring him back to the attraction someday again (and get rid of Barbossa, Jack Sparrow and Squid-face) and those ridiculous new lines. I want the classic politically-incorrect POTC!
Ghost Writer		#20	[-]
Ballroom Dancer Posts: 280 Mar 18 11 5:50 AM Silly Spook Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Amen Johnny! And Phineas, I loved those two things too. They also took out my favorite pirate (captain of the Wicked Wench) and replaced him with Barbossa. He was such a unique looking pirate and I loved Paul Frees' voice for that character. Once I saw that ship and heard that voice, my transition to the world of POTC was complete. I don't know if we should want the parrot to come back. If they brought it back now, they would probably have it shoot water!
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